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Misha Hartmann
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:20:00 -
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Super carries at the moment are somewhat useless at times.
Their drone bay only allows one set of fighter-bombers, and those get bombed anyway. As a result supers land on grid, get their fighter-bombers killed and then just hang around or leave.
They are super carrier for the love of god, they are meant to be able to be fielding every drone. And the old problem of super fleets arriving and simply dropping sentries is not relevant anymore due to ishtar fleets (which are able to field far far greater numbers and thus more drones)
Big expensive ships are meant to be powerful, so I don't understand the constant nerfing of big ships due to their strength. Large ships are meant to be powerful, and if one then fields a lot of them and dominates the field, its not because the ships were too strong, but rather because one had a lot of pilots. (skilled pilots at that - ie not a lot of them).
When the goons field a million megathrons and dominates the battlefield, one does not go and nerf the mega...!!! They simply took a good BS and has lots of pilots.
Seriously, make super capitals useful again please by increasing drone bay and giving supers smaller drones back.
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Misha Hartmann
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:52:00 -
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The sentry nerf does make sense to some extent. Perhaps then have the +3 to drones only apply to fighters and fighter-bombers. and a +1 to normal drones. (like normal carriers)
Plus a drone bay size increase wont really affect anything, but make them a tad more useful in that they can remain in combat. for more than a few bombing runs.
I must admit, i do agree with you on the fact that if supers drop 17/20 sentries each it may get a bit much. But only a single fleet of Ishtars, which there often are a few of in large battles will drop 1250 sentries.
250 Ishtars - 1250 sentries ----> for same amount of sentries on would need over 60 Supers
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Misha Hartmann
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:59:00 -
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[quote=Misha Hartmann]The sentry nerf does make sense to some extent. Perhaps then have the +3 to drones only apply to fighters and fighter-bombers. and a +1 to normal drones. (like normal carriers)
Plus a drone bay size increase wont really affect anything, but make them a tad more useful in that they can remain in combat. for more than a few bombing runs.
I must admit, i do agree with you on the fact that if supers drop 17/20 sentries each it may get a bit much. But only a single 250 fleet of Ishtars, which there often are a few of in large battles, will drop lets say 1000 sentries.
200 Ishtars - 1000 sentries ----> for same amount of sentries on would need over 50 Supers
But see here is my point, just because they are powerful they now become nerfed. 50 supers at approximately a 18bil price tag each cost 900billion. For the same DPS a single Ishtar fleet will cost nothing in comparison.
Yeah sure they become difficult to attack, but they are meant to be tough to fight against. Thats why you get supers to fight supers
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:47:00 -
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I know, and I understand that supers need a support fleet, hence I am willing to accept (to some point) if supers have no smaller drones.
Even then though, bubblers and bubbles are the only thing that can tackle supers. As a result hictors and mobile bubbles are screwed either case since fighters can hit them well. Thus dictors are the only real tacklers (in most cases, not all cases of course) to supers. and regardless whether a super has drones or not, dictors will drop bubble and cloak before the super can target the thing. Thats what smart bombs are for.
But do give them more drone space. (This was the actual point I was making). |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 08:51:00 -
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To me its just a bit strange that a 18-25bil ship is utterly useless with out a support fleet, but is vulnerable to virtually any ship with a cloak and a mobile bubble.
But again, giving supers sentries will probably unbalance them them. But at least give them more drone space so that they can carry an extra set, or just some extra. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 10:32:00 -
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Mikkir wrote:The ships that make this game fun are frigates to battleships. If all the larger ships disappeared it would probably be better for the game.
Maybe freighters and orcas could remain. They're not so bad.
That is the worst thing I have heard so far. I truly hate frigates and rather enjoy capitals. if less people flew the small ****, the game (for me a least) would become a lot more fun. |
Misha Hartmann
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:23:00 -
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Haha, this topic is getting off track.
All I was actually suggesting is that super carrier drone bays be increased.
This both leaves supercaps as useful or useless to both large and small coalitions/alliances and actually makes them playable.
And the argument of nerfing mobility of super caps is ********. I mean Titan brides make sub cap fleets MORE powerful!! A lot more; by increasing mobility of sub-cap fleets. As such increasing such cap potential again. And I know what some of you are going to say; "but how are smaller alliances supposed to get titans when they get smashed by bigger ones". Well the answer is that if you cant get an alliance together and manage in such a way that your alliance can get a titan, then seriously you dont deserve to be a larger alliance. (assuming that set alliance is looking to expand)
I am just saying increase super carriers drone bay. that way their fighter bombers dont just simply get bombed in one run and then one runs home. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:26:00 -
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For some reason people in this thread want to reward the guys who FAIL. Why is there this pathetic movement of rewarding those that fail?
If the goons manage to dominate everyone with supers, or otherwise, because they were able to become the most powerful, why should they then get penalized and have ships nerfed in their disadvantage? I mean that is pathetic. Its literally rewarding the pathetic.
And I momentarily am too fighting for the underdogs. And if we loose it was because they were better and getting more pilots and due to better management. Dont get me wrong, I will fight to my last ship to win for my alliance/coalition. But I will not enjoy playing if I know I have been given an unfair advantage just because I am the underdog. Its pathetic.
And those saying that super capitals and capitals should not exist, seriously, go **** around in high sec. That is where you belong. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:43:00 -
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While I hate to admit this, allowing super carriers to have sentries/smaller drones will make the supers too strong. And as such it would probably be a bad idea only because of the way the game works.
Its just a shame that it has to be this way because of game mechanics; due to the fact that the game no longer attempts to relate to a realistic futuristic space scenario, but rather only towards making it following game mechanics balancing acts.
But I would definitely like to see drone bays increase. I mean a fully skilled aeon/wyvern pilot cannot carry a full set of fighter bombers and fighters. never mind some spares. |
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